Antidepressants vs . placebo: not merely a quantitative difference in response

K. Fountoulakis, H. Möller
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Horder et al. (in press) criticize the results of Kirsch et al. (2008) solely on the basis of meta-analytical methodology. In the letter by Matthews (2011) commenting on our paper (Fountoulakis & Moller, 2010) this emphasis on methodological issues is again central. Matthews comments on the method used (pooling drug and placebo arms separately) and on the use of effect size instead of raw HAMD scores. We argue that the problem does not lie in methodological issues. We performed the re-analysis by using simple averaging, weighting by sample size, weighted by the inverse variance and also with precision weighted analysis. The differences in the results of these different approaches were not significant at all although some similarity was shown between the results of precision weighted analysis and those reported by Kirsch et al. Horder et al. are right when suggesting that the 1.80 difference can be derived with the precision weighted analysis method but the effect size with this method is not 0.32 as Kirsch et al. report, but 0.28. So no matter which method is used, it seems that Kirsch et al. had flawed calculations. To say that a method is ‘unusual’ or ‘idiosyncratic’ does not necessarily imply it is inappropriate or false. It is assumed that all trial results belong to a single distribution; that is why a meta-analysis is possible even with a random-effects model. Practically the way one groups and pools arms and trials plays little if any role. That is why ultimately, the correction of the effect size is minimal and all methods give an effect size of 0.28–0.35 and a difference in raw HAMD change from baseline between placebo and active drug of 1.78–2.93 (Table 1). Even the results after simple averaging do not deviate, probably because the number of RCTs is high enough …
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Horder等人(出版中)仅基于元分析方法批评了Kirsch等人(2008)的结果。在马修斯(2011)评论我们的论文(Fountoulakis & Moller, 2010)的信中,强调方法问题再次成为核心。Matthews对所使用的方法(将药物组和安慰剂组分开)和使用效应大小而不是原始HAMD评分进行了评论。我们认为,问题不在于方法论问题。我们采用简单平均法、样本量加权法、方差逆加权法和精确加权分析法进行再分析。尽管精度加权分析的结果与Kirsch等人报告的结果有一些相似之处,但这些不同方法的结果差异并不显著。Horder等人是对的,他们认为1.80的差异可以用精度加权分析法推导出来,但这种方法的效应大小不是Kirsch等人报道的0.32,而是0.28。因此,无论采用哪种方法,Kirsch等人的计算似乎都存在缺陷。说一种方法是“不寻常的”或“特殊的”并不一定意味着它是不合适的或错误的。假定所有试验结果属于单一分布;这就是为什么即使使用随机效应模型,元分析也是可能的。实际上,一个组织和汇集武器和试验的方式几乎没有任何作用。这就是为什么最终,效应量的修正是最小的,所有方法给出的效应量为0.28-0.35,安慰剂和活性药物的原始HAMD变化与基线的差异为1.78-2.93(表1)。即使是简单平均后的结果也没有偏离,可能是因为rct的数量足够高……
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