{"title":"Products of normal subsets","authors":"Michael Larsen, Aner Shalev, Pham Tiep","doi":"10.1090/tran/8960","DOIUrl":null,"url":null,"abstract":"In this paper we consider which families of finite simple groups <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"upper G\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mi>G</mml:mi> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">G</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula> have the property that for each <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"epsilon greater-than 0\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mrow> <mml:mi>ϵ<!-- ϵ --></mml:mi> <mml:mo>></mml:mo> <mml:mn>0</mml:mn> </mml:mrow> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">\\epsilon > 0</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula> there exists <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"upper N greater-than 0\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mrow> <mml:mi>N</mml:mi> <mml:mo>></mml:mo> <mml:mn>0</mml:mn> </mml:mrow> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">N > 0</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula> such that, if <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"StartAbsoluteValue upper G EndAbsoluteValue greater-than-or-equal-to upper N\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mrow> <mml:mrow class=\"MJX-TeXAtom-ORD\"> <mml:mo stretchy=\"false\">|</mml:mo> </mml:mrow> <mml:mi>G</mml:mi> <mml:mrow class=\"MJX-TeXAtom-ORD\"> <mml:mo stretchy=\"false\">|</mml:mo> </mml:mrow> <mml:mo>≥<!-- ≥ --></mml:mo> <mml:mi>N</mml:mi> </mml:mrow> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">|G| \\ge N</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula> and <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"upper S comma upper T\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mrow> <mml:mi>S</mml:mi> <mml:mo>,</mml:mo> <mml:mi>T</mml:mi> </mml:mrow> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">S, T</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula> are normal subsets of <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"upper G\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mi>G</mml:mi> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">G</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula> with at least <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"epsilon StartAbsoluteValue upper G EndAbsoluteValue\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mrow> <mml:mi>ϵ<!-- ϵ --></mml:mi> <mml:mrow class=\"MJX-TeXAtom-ORD\"> <mml:mo stretchy=\"false\">|</mml:mo> </mml:mrow> <mml:mi>G</mml:mi> <mml:mrow class=\"MJX-TeXAtom-ORD\"> <mml:mo stretchy=\"false\">|</mml:mo> </mml:mrow> </mml:mrow> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">\\epsilon |G|</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula> elements each, then every non-trivial element of <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"upper G\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mi>G</mml:mi> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">G</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula> is the product of an element of <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"upper S\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mi>S</mml:mi> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">S</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula> and an element of <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"upper T\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mi>T</mml:mi> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">T</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula>. We show that this holds in a strong and effective sense for finite simple groups of Lie type of bounded rank, while it does not hold for alternating groups or groups of the form <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"normal upper P normal upper S normal upper L Subscript n Baseline left-parenthesis q right-parenthesis\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mrow> <mml:msub> <mml:mrow class=\"MJX-TeXAtom-ORD\"> <mml:mi mathvariant=\"normal\">P</mml:mi> <mml:mi mathvariant=\"normal\">S</mml:mi> <mml:mi mathvariant=\"normal\">L</mml:mi> </mml:mrow> <mml:mi>n</mml:mi> </mml:msub> <mml:mo stretchy=\"false\">(</mml:mo> <mml:mi>q</mml:mi> <mml:mo stretchy=\"false\">)</mml:mo> </mml:mrow> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">\\mathrm {PSL}_n(q)</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula> where <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"q\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mi>q</mml:mi> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">q</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula> is fixed and <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"n right-arrow normal infinity\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mrow> <mml:mi>n</mml:mi> <mml:mo stretchy=\"false\">→<!-- → --></mml:mo> <mml:mi mathvariant=\"normal\">∞<!-- ∞ --></mml:mi> </mml:mrow> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">n\\to \\infty</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula>. However, in the case <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"upper S equals upper T\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mrow> <mml:mi>S</mml:mi> <mml:mo>=</mml:mo> <mml:mi>T</mml:mi> </mml:mrow> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">S=T</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula> and <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"upper G\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mi>G</mml:mi> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">G</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula> alternating this holds with an explicit bound on <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"upper N\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mi>N</mml:mi> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">N</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula> in terms of <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"epsilon\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mi>ϵ<!-- ϵ --></mml:mi> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">\\epsilon</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula>. Related problems and applications are also discussed. In particular we show that, if <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"w 1 comma w 2\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mrow> <mml:msub> <mml:mi>w</mml:mi> <mml:mn>1</mml:mn> </mml:msub> <mml:mo>,</mml:mo> <mml:msub> <mml:mi>w</mml:mi> <mml:mn>2</mml:mn> </mml:msub> </mml:mrow> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">w_1, w_2</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula> are non-trivial words, <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"upper G\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mi>G</mml:mi> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">G</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula> is a finite simple group of Lie type of bounded rank, and for <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"g element-of upper G\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mrow> <mml:mi>g</mml:mi> <mml:mo>∈<!-- ∈ --></mml:mo> <mml:mi>G</mml:mi> </mml:mrow> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">g \\in G</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula>, <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"upper P Subscript w 1 left-parenthesis upper G right-parenthesis comma w 2 left-parenthesis upper G right-parenthesis Baseline left-parenthesis g right-parenthesis\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mrow> <mml:msub> <mml:mi>P</mml:mi> <mml:mrow class=\"MJX-TeXAtom-ORD\"> <mml:msub> <mml:mi>w</mml:mi> <mml:mn>1</mml:mn> </mml:msub> <mml:mo stretchy=\"false\">(</mml:mo> <mml:mi>G</mml:mi> <mml:mo stretchy=\"false\">)</mml:mo> <mml:mo>,</mml:mo> <mml:msub> <mml:mi>w</mml:mi> <mml:mn>2</mml:mn> </mml:msub> <mml:mo stretchy=\"false\">(</mml:mo> <mml:mi>G</mml:mi> <mml:mo stretchy=\"false\">)</mml:mo> </mml:mrow> </mml:msub> <mml:mo stretchy=\"false\">(</mml:mo> <mml:mi>g</mml:mi> <mml:mo stretchy=\"false\">)</mml:mo> </mml:mrow> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">P_{w_1(G),w_2(G)}(g)</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula> denotes the probability that <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"g 1 g 2 equals g\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mrow> <mml:msub> <mml:mi>g</mml:mi> <mml:mn>1</mml:mn> </mml:msub> <mml:msub> <mml:mi>g</mml:mi> <mml:mn>2</mml:mn> </mml:msub> <mml:mo>=</mml:mo> <mml:mi>g</mml:mi> </mml:mrow> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">g_1g_2 = g</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula> where <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"g Subscript i Baseline element-of w Subscript i Baseline left-parenthesis upper G right-parenthesis\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mrow> <mml:msub> <mml:mi>g</mml:mi> <mml:mi>i</mml:mi> </mml:msub> <mml:mo>∈<!-- ∈ --></mml:mo> <mml:msub> <mml:mi>w</mml:mi> <mml:mi>i</mml:mi> </mml:msub> <mml:mo stretchy=\"false\">(</mml:mo> <mml:mi>G</mml:mi> <mml:mo stretchy=\"false\">)</mml:mo> </mml:mrow> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">g_i \\in w_i(G)</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula> are chosen uniformly and independently, then, as <inline-formula content-type=\"math/mathml\"> <mml:math xmlns:mml=\"http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\" alttext=\"StartAbsoluteValue upper G EndAbsoluteValue right-arrow normal infinity\"> <mml:semantics> <mml:mrow> <mml:mrow class=\"MJX-TeXAtom-ORD\"> <mml:mo stretchy=\"false\">|</mml:mo> </mml:mrow> <mml:mi>G</mml:mi> <mml:mrow class=\"MJX-TeXAtom-ORD\"> <mml:mo stretchy=\"false\">|</mml:mo> </mml:mrow> <mml:mo stretchy=\"false\">→<!-- → --></mml:mo> <mml:mi mathvariant=\"normal\">∞<!-- ∞ --></mml:mi> </mml:mrow> <mml:annotation encoding=\"application/x-tex\">|G| \\to \\infty</mml:annotation> </mml:semantics> </mml:math> </inline-formula>, the 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Abstract
In this paper we consider which families of finite simple groups GG have the property that for each ϵ>0\epsilon > 0 there exists N>0N > 0 such that, if |G|≥N|G| \ge N and S,TS, T are normal subsets of GG with at least ϵ|G|\epsilon |G| elements each, then every non-trivial element of GG is the product of an element of SS and an element of TT. We show that this holds in a strong and effective sense for finite simple groups of Lie type of bounded rank, while it does not hold for alternating groups or groups of the form PSLn(q)\mathrm {PSL}_n(q) where qq is fixed and n→∞n\to \infty. However, in the case S=TS=T and GG alternating this holds with an explicit bound on NN in terms of ϵ\epsilon. Related problems and applications are also discussed. In particular we show that, if w1,w2w_1, w_2 are non-trivial words, GG is a finite simple group of Lie type of bounded rank, and for g∈Gg \in G, Pw1(G),w2(G)(g)P_{w_1(G),w_2(G)}(g) denotes the probability that g1g2=gg_1g_2 = g where gi∈wi(G)g_i \in w_i(G) are chosen uniformly and independently, then, as |G|→∞|G| \to \infty, the distribution Pw1(G),w2(G)P_{w_1(G),w_2(G)} tends to the uniform distribution on GG with respect to the L∞L^{\infty } norm.
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