Coding is hard

Sam Sanders
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A central topic in mathematical logic is the classification of theorems from mathematics in hierarchies according to their logical strength. Ideally, the place of a theorem in a hierarchy does not depend on the representation (aka coding) used. In this paper, we show that the standard representation of compact metric spaces in second-order arithmetic has a profound effect. To this end, we study basic theorems for such spaces like a continuous function has a supremum and a countable set has measure zero. We show that these and similar third-order statements imply at least Feferman's highly non-constructive projection principle, and even full second-order arithmetic or countable choice in some cases. When formulated with representations (aka codes), the associated second-order theorems are provable in rather weak fragments of second-order arithmetic. Thus, we arrive at the slogan that coding compact metric spaces in the language of second-order arithmetic can be as hard as second-order arithmetic or countable choice. We believe every mathematician should be aware of this slogan, as central foundational topics in mathematics make use of the standard second-order representation of compact metric spaces. In the process of collecting evidence for the above slogan, we establish a number of equivalences involving Feferman's projection principle and countable choice. We also study generalisations to fourth-order arithmetic and beyond with similar-but-stronger results.
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数理逻辑的一个核心课题是根据逻辑强度对数学定理进行等级分类。在理想情况下,定理在层次结构中的位置并不取决于所使用的表示法(kacoding)。在本文中,我们证明了二阶算术中紧凑度量空间的标准表示具有深远的影响。为此,我们研究了这类空间的基本定理,如连续函数有上量,可数集的度量为零。我们证明,这些和类似的三阶声明至少意味着费弗曼的高度非构造投影原理,甚至在某些情况下意味着完全的二阶算术或可数选择。当用表示(又称代码)来表述时,相关的二阶定理可以用相当弱的二阶算术片段来证明。因此,我们提出了这样一个口号:用二阶算术语言对紧凑度量空间进行编码,其难度不亚于二阶算术或可数选择。我们相信每个数学家都应该知道这个口号,因为数学中的核心基础课题都会用到紧凑公元空间的标准二阶表示法。在为上述口号收集证据的过程中,我们建立了一系列涉及费弗曼投影原理和可数选择的等价关系。我们还研究了四阶算术的一般化,以及四阶算术之后的类似但更强的结果。
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