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I am grateful to all four commentators on my book for their very thoughtful comments, to Bryan-Paul Frost for organizing this symposium, and to Daniel Mahoney, Editor of Perspectives on Political Science, for generously agreeing to publish it. Frost finds it disappointing that Strauss cites only Churchill as evidence of greatness within liberal democracy, and puzzling that I would contrast his doing so with Tocqueville, who presents greatness as belonging to the past; he notes that Strauss praises, after all, Churchill’s book on his illustrious ancestor Malborough. As to the first of these: Strauss presents the example of Churchill’s greatness as capable of beginning an ascent out of the historicist reasoning that plagued German youth. He does the same, 23 years later, for Americans raised on the fact-value distinction, whom he encouraged to begin to be directed by their natural political reasoning. As to the second: Churchill’s book on Malborough is on a statesman who had already confronted modernity’s changed circumstances and thereby shown the way to the required political reasoning in those circumstances. Yet Frost wonders if Churchill could have offered such an example to German youth, since he was “the very person against whom post-World War I German nihilists raged and loathed.” Frost conflates Nazi leaders and their attacks on Churchill after 1939 with the German nihilistic youth and their teachers. Strauss, though, distinguishes them: “the defeat of National Socialism will not necessarily mean the end of German nihilism. For that nihilism has deeper roots than the preachings of Hitler, Germany’s defeat in the World War and all that.” Strauss aims to understand “the singular success, not of Hitler, but of those writers” who “knowingly or ignorantly paved the way for Hitler (Spengler, Moeller van den Bruck, Carl Schmitt, Ernst Jünger, Heidegger).”1 Turning to the question of technology, Frost claims that “there was one area where Strauss (following Machiavelli) agreed that science was absolutely needed and could not be ignored: the military (6–7).... But how,” he continues, “can you have the salutary effects of the one (a modern military) without the dire effects of the other (rampant technology)? Interestingly, Strauss says that you can.” These objections are based on a simple misreading of Strauss’s texts. Strauss does not agree that “science was absolutely needed and could not be ignored” in “the military.” He distinguishes mere military innovation from “the deployment of theoretical science in the conquest of nature” in such innovation, as I quote him saying on page 8 of my book. Citing this deployment as crucial, Strauss rejects the claim that mere military innovation made all modern technology “fated.” Nor does Strauss imply that one can have advanced military technology without technology being used in every other area of life. Frost also complains about “a relative paucity of classical sources to demonstrate” that “the ancients understood the deleterious effects of the conquest of nature,” as Strauss claims they did. He appears to express some doubt about the reliability of Strauss’s claim that the ancients consciously rejected technology. Some of those references appear in On Tyranny.2 Strauss also notes, in his explication of Books V and VI of Lucretius’ De Rerum Natura, that while Lucretius recognizes the importance of the development of the arts for the emergence of philosophy, he counsels against their further development, or opposes technology, in light of the natural term of true pleasure and the diversions that technology would induce away from awareness of mortality and hence from the right kind of pleasure.3 Perhaps most importantly, Strauss stresses the resignation to what is that accompanies the theoretical life and theoretical awareness, in Lucretius no
我要感谢我的书的四位评论员,感谢他们非常周到的评论,感谢布莱恩-保罗·弗弗斯特组织了这次研讨会,感谢丹尼尔·马奥尼,《政治学观点》的编辑,感谢他慷慨地同意出版这本书。弗罗斯特发现施特劳斯只引用丘吉尔作为自由民主中的伟大的证据是令人失望的,我将他的做法与托克维尔进行对比是令人困惑的,托克维尔认为伟大属于过去;他指出,毕竟,施特劳斯赞扬了丘吉尔关于他杰出的祖先马尔伯勒的书。至于第一点:施特劳斯以丘吉尔的伟大为例,说明他有能力开始摆脱困扰德国青年的历史主义推理。23年后,他对在事实-价值区分中长大的美国人也做了同样的事情,他鼓励他们开始按照自己天生的政治推理来行事。至于第二点:丘吉尔关于马尔堡的书是关于一位政治家的,他已经面对了现代性变化的环境,从而为在这些环境中进行必要的政治推理指明了道路。然而弗罗斯特想知道丘吉尔是否能为德国青年树立这样一个榜样,因为他“正是第一次世界大战后德国虚无主义者怒斥和憎恨的人”。弗罗斯特把纳粹领导人和他们在1939年后对丘吉尔的攻击与德国虚无主义青年和他们的老师混为一谈。然而,施特劳斯区分了它们:“国家社会主义的失败并不一定意味着德国虚无主义的终结。因为这种虚无主义比希特勒的说教、德国在第二次世界大战中的失败等等都有更深的根源。”施特劳斯旨在理解“奇异的成功,而不是希特勒,但是这些作家”谁“故意或无知地为希特勒铺平了道路(斯宾格勒,Moeller van den勃拉克,卡尔•施密特恩斯特荣格尔,海德格尔)。1在谈到技术问题时,弗罗斯特声称“有一个领域施特劳斯(追随马基雅维利)同意科学是绝对需要的,不能被忽视:军事(6-7)....。但是,”他继续说道,“你如何才能既拥有前者(现代化军队)的有益影响,又不受后者(猖獗的科技)的可怕影响呢?有趣的是,施特劳斯说你可以。”这些反对意见是基于对施特劳斯文本的简单误读。施特劳斯不同意在“军事”中“科学是绝对需要的,不能被忽视”。他将单纯的军事创新与“在征服自然中运用理论科学”区分开来,我在我的书的第8页引用了他的话。施特劳斯认为这一部署至关重要,他驳斥了单纯的军事创新导致所有现代技术“命中注定”的说法。施特劳斯也没有暗示,一个人可以拥有先进的军事技术,而不把技术应用于生活的其他领域。弗罗斯特还抱怨说,“证明古人理解征服自然的有害影响的经典资料相对缺乏”,正如施特劳斯所声称的那样。他似乎对施特劳斯关于古人有意识地拒绝技术的说法的可靠性表示怀疑。其中一些参考文献出现在《论专政》中。2施特劳斯还指出,在他对卢克莱修的《论自然》第五卷和第六卷的解释中,虽然卢克莱修认识到艺术发展对哲学出现的重要性,但他反对艺术的进一步发展,或者反对技术,根据真正快乐的自然术语,以及技术将导致人们远离死亡意识的转移,从而远离正确的快乐也许最重要的是,施特劳斯在卢克莱修第1章中强调了对伴随理论生活和理论意识而来的现实的顺从
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