Author’s reply to: David Elms’ discussion of ‘a framework for a civil engineering BOK’

IF 1.7 3区 工程技术 Q3 ENGINEERING, CIVIL Civil Engineering and Environmental Systems Pub Date : 2021-10-02 DOI:10.1080/10286608.2021.1980549
D. Carmichael
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I read Professor Elms’ contribution to the Special Issue (Elms, 2020) several times. It contains a lot of food for thought. Of particular interest is Table 1 ‘Commentary onmodels and modelling’ of that paper. What Professor Elmswrites is compatible with the BOK Framework in Carmichael (2020). To understand the compatibility introduces a level of trickiness, something that is difficult to explain to students and for students to understand because of a sort of circularity it introduces. The level of trickiness is like saying that ‘a model is a representation of a system, yet a model is a system’, and ‘models may model models’ (at which point students say that they wanted to become engineers not philosophers, and they head instead towards the laboratories to do some less-challenging breaking of concrete). The following is not a criticism of Elms (2020), because by and large I do not disagree with his views; rather it is an attempt at a reconciliation. Some of the differences between Professor Elms’ work and mine comes down to terminology – I comment on terminology in Carmichael (2020) and in a discussion piece to this Special Issue. It is my belief that agreement on terminology is a large factor in holding back the development of a Civil Engineering Systems BOK. I always attempt to be disciplined in the use of terminology; I always try to use terms, for example, ‘system’, ‘model’, ‘problem’, ‘uncertainty’, ‘risk’ and so on, in a consistent way and with only one meaning each. In the Elms (2020) paper Table 1, many issues are discussed regarding the choice or aide memoire for models and model building, and also in the Elms discussion piece, the terms ‘purpose’, ‘situation’ etc. are raised. The trickiness that throws students is that Professor Elms, when talking about selecting a model, is in fact performing what is referred to as ‘synthesis’ or ‘design’ (Part F) in the proposed BOK Framework in Carmichael (2020). Professor Elms is ‘designing’ the model. This is separate to systems design which I raise at Part F of the proposed BOK Framework. In effect, a fully developed Part F of the BOK Framework would cover all design issues which could be applied to any system (including a model if it is interpreted as a system). This includes issues about iterations in design, creativity, uncertainty and so on. The intangibles and subjectivity spoken of by Elms could also be incorporated. (But thinking of the necessary background to ‘designing’ a model only hastens the students to the concrete laboratory because of the logic loops that it introduces.)
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作者回复:David Elms关于“土木工程书籍框架”的讨论
我读了几遍Elms教授对特刊(Elms, 2020)的贡献。它包含了很多值得思考的东西。特别有趣的是该论文的表1“对模型和建模的评论”。埃尔姆斯教授所写的内容与Carmichael(2020)的BOK框架兼容。为了理解兼容性,引入了一定程度的技巧,有些东西很难向学生解释,也很难让学生理解,因为它引入了某种循环。这种复杂程度就像说“一个模型是一个系统的代表,然而一个模型就是一个系统”,以及“模型可以为模型建模”(这时学生们说他们想成为工程师而不是哲学家,他们转而去实验室做一些不那么具有挑战性的具体工作)。以下不是对榆树(2020)的批评,因为总的来说,我并不反对他的观点;相反,这是一种和解的尝试。榆树教授的工作和我的工作之间的一些差异归结为术语——我在卡迈克尔(2020)和本特刊的讨论部分评论了术语。我相信,术语上的一致是阻碍土木工程系统BOK发展的一个重要因素。我总是试图在术语的使用上保持自律;我总是尝试以一致的方式使用术语,例如“系统”、“模型”、“问题”、“不确定性”、“风险”等等,每个术语只有一个含义。在Elms(2020)的论文表1中,讨论了关于模型和模型构建的选择或辅助记忆的许多问题,并且在Elms的讨论部分中,也提出了术语“目的”,“情况”等。让学生感到困惑的是,Elms教授在谈到选择模型时,实际上是在执行Carmichael(2020)提出的BOK框架中所谓的“综合”或“设计”(第F部分)。Elms教授正在“设计”这个模型。这与我在拟议的BOK框架的第F部分提出的系统设计是分开的。实际上,完整开发的BOK框架F部分将涵盖可应用于任何系统(包括模型,如果它被解释为系统)的所有设计问题。这包括设计中的迭代、创意、不确定性等问题。榆树所说的无形性和主观性也可以被纳入其中。(但是,考虑“设计”一个模型的必要背景只会加速学生进入具体的实验室,因为它引入了逻辑循环。)
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Civil Engineering and Environmental Systems
Civil Engineering and Environmental Systems 工程技术-工程:土木
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期刊介绍: Civil Engineering and Environmental Systems is devoted to the advancement of systems thinking and systems techniques throughout systems engineering, environmental engineering decision-making, and engineering management. We do this by publishing the practical applications and developments of "hard" and "soft" systems techniques and thinking. Submissions that allow for better analysis of civil engineering and environmental systems might look at: -Civil Engineering optimization -Risk assessment in engineering -Civil engineering decision analysis -System identification in engineering -Civil engineering numerical simulation -Uncertainty modelling in engineering -Qualitative modelling of complex engineering systems
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