对露丝·塔特洛的回应

IF 0.1 2区 艺术学 0 MUSIC Eighteenth Century Music Pub Date : 2021-09-01 DOI:10.1017/S1478570621000142
Daniel R. Melamed
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在猜测我回信的目的时,Ruth Tatlow怀疑我的文章是“为了推动讨论,还是为了诋毁比例平行理论”。我不认为这是唯一的两个选择,或者它们是相互排斥的。作者关于平行比例的书确实花了篇幅来讨论18世纪对小节和其他元素的理解,但在分配小节数量和加起来的时候,这种讨论几乎没有贡献。计数有多种方法,有时在同一分析中调用,并且由于作曲家自己的模糊计数,问题变得复杂。对18世纪作品的研究并没有解决这些问题,我不是说作者没有意识到这些问题,而是说她在理论应用中回避了这些问题。该回应坚持认为,比例平行理论得到了最近肖邦在他自己的前奏曲中使用巴赫比例顺序的“发现”的支持。但是,如果这种关系在巴赫身上是数学上不可避免的,那么在肖邦身上也是同样不可避免的。大数定律适用于19世纪和18世纪的大数定律,并指出两者的某一特定结果几乎是肯定的没有证据表明巴赫有意建立了比例,没有证据表明肖邦在巴赫的音乐中发现了比例,没有证据表明他有意自己创造了比例,也没有证据表明这种做法是“老师口头或书面地从学生那里传下来的”。在我的文章完成后,我确实很幸运地看到了Alan Shepherd的作品,但这并没有改变我的观点。谢泼德进行了随机测试,类似于我在德累斯顿密萨上进行的测试,但使用的是《好脾气的键盘书》。在报告结果时,他提到通过、测试,每个人都有一个解决方案——有%的概率存在一个比例。但他接着计算出,“偶然发现:比例的概率”平均为。%(出版前版本页)。我不太确定他所说的“找到一个比例”的可能性是什么意思,但这封信在谈到巴赫“在所有可能的组合中找到一个比例”的不可能性时,呼应了这种语言。也许这意味着巴赫很难发现这些比例,但没有证据表明他做到了,甚至不知道它们的存在。现代分析学家发现了它们,而不是巴赫,并赋予它们意义。或者它可能与找到特定比例组合的可能性有关,但很难看出我们为什么要关心在任何情况下找到特定比例的几率。如果我把鱼钩和鱼虫扔进满是饥饿的鱼的水里,我很有可能会钓到一条;这就是说一个地方是钓鱼的好地方的意思,并不是说我有一定的(很小的)概率能从海里的许多鱼中钓到一条特定的鱼。总的来说,回应重申了这种音乐中存在比例的说法,但考虑到它们在数学上的必然性,它们的存在是微不足道的。只有当它们能够被证明是有意义的,交流才是重要的
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RESPONSE TO RUTH TATLOW
In speculating about my aim in her letter of response, Ruth Tatlow wonders whether my article is ‘designed to take the discussion forward, or to discredit the theory of proportional parallelism’. I do not think that these are the only two choices or that they are mutually exclusive. The author’s book on parallel proportions does devote space to eighteenth-century understandings of bars and other elements, but this discussion contributes little when it comes time to assign numbers of bars and to add them up. There are multiple ways to count, sometimes invoked in the same analysis, and the matter is complicated by the composer’s own ambiguous counting. The study of eighteenth-century writings does not fix these problems, and I suggested not that the author was unaware of them, but rather that she sidesteps them in the theory’s application. The response maintains that the theory of proportional parallelism is supported by the recent ‘discovery’ that Chopin used Bach’s proportional ordering in his own preludes. But if this sort of relationship is mathematically inevitable in Bach, it is equally inevitable in Chopin. The law of large numbers applied in the nineteenth century as well as in the eighteenth, and points to the near certainty of a particular result in both. There is no evidence that Bach intentionally established proportions, none that Chopin found them in Bach’s music, none that he purposely created them himself, and none that the practice was ‘handed down verbally and in writing from teacher to pupil’, as is claimed. I was indeed fortunate to see Alan Shepherd’s work after my article was completed, but it did not change my view. Shepherd ran randomized tests similar to the ones I performed on the Dresden Missa but using the Well-Tempered Clavier Book . In reporting the results, he mentions in passing that of , tests, every one had a solution – a  per cent probability of there being a proportion. But he then goes on to calculate that the ‘probability of finding a : proportion by chance’ is, on average, . per cent (page  of prepublication version). I am not exactly sure what he means by the probability of ‘finding a proportion’, but the letter echoes this language in speaking of the improbability of Bach’s ‘finding a proportion among all the possible combinations’. Perhaps this means that it would have been difficult for Bach to spot the proportions, but there is no evidence that he did, or even knew they existed. Themodern analyst has found them, not Bach, and assigned significance to them. Ormaybe it relates to the likelihood of hitting on a particular proportional combination, but it is difficult to see why wemight care about the odds of finding a specific proportion in any event. If I drop a hook and worm into water teeming with hungry fish, chances are really good that I will catch one; that’s what it means to say a spot is a good place to fish, not that I have a certain (tiny) probability of landing a particular fish from among the many filling the waters of the seas. Overall, the response reiterates the claim that proportions exist in this music, but it is trivial that they do, given their mathematical inevitability. Thematter is non-trivial only if they can be shown tomean something, commun icat ion s
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