在星空下:一场光明之旅

R. Ixer
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后现代主义解构主义都被提出作为思想框架。然而,讨论者之间的分歧是显而易见的。两者都面临着缺乏证据证明前现代流行行为和信仰的巨大问题,但他们在如何利用我们拥有的小而分散的碎片上存在分歧。比起林肯,金兹堡愿意冒更大的风险将这些想法拼凑在一起。作为其中的一部分,前者更倾向于将Thiess的证词视为根植于古代文化的社区,而后者则是一个不具代表性的个人的想象力和异常产物。Ginzburg优先考虑古老的神话和仪式来解释整个利沃尼亚狼人的比喻,而林肯认为它更多地发展了德国征服者和他们的本土下属之间的关系。金兹伯格自己的思想本身就植根于一个更古老的阶层,仍然深受比较世界各地文化特征得出一般理论的方法的影响,这种方法以詹姆斯·弗雷泽爵士和米尔恰·埃利亚德爵士为例,也受到克劳德·拉斯特劳斯所宣扬的结构主义的影响。从这个意义上说,他仍然是一个二十世纪中期的学者。林肯,埃利亚德的学生,也是从这个传统开始的,这就是为什么他成为著名的印欧学者。这场辩论的一个启示是,他现在是多么彻底地拒绝了它(尤其是最著名的印欧文化理论家杜姆萨齐尔的作品),他相信古代原型的重建对历史上的语言很有效,但对史前的语言却不行,更不用说使用这些语言的文化了。相反,他放弃了对历史社会权力动态起源的兴趣,这种兴趣最终是由马克思主义驱动的,马克思主义在1990年后作为后殖民理论重生。辩论当然以友好和尊重的分歧告终。读者会同意其中之一,或者两者都不同意,这同样取决于个人和意识形态倾向。我支持这两个阵营,因为我看到了跨时间和结构比较的价值,但卡洛·金兹伯格的飞跃对我来说太长了,尽管我很钦佩他。讨论的出版占据了这本书的最后四分之一,之后是对原始审判记录的翻译然后是Höfler, Ginzburg和Lincoln对这个案子的早期反思的重印。它并不是真正关于利沃尼亚狼人的,因为它忽略了其他学者对这个主题的研究,因此它被限制为对西斯案件本身的研究。它本质上是对文化研究和历史研究中比较方法的讨论,在这两个学科的巨人之间,以及对他们当前思想的指导;而且很有价值。
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Under the stars: a journey into light
and postmodernist deconstruction all being proposed as frameworks for thought. The division between the discussants is however clear. Both face the huge problem of the lack of evidence for pre-modern popular behaviour and belief, but they differ over how to use the small and scattered scraps that we possess. Ginzburg is prepared to take more risks in stitching them together speculatively than Lincoln. As part of this, the former is more inclined to see Thiess’s testimony as embedded in a community rooted in ancient culture, and the latter as the imaginative and anomalous product of an unrepresentative individual. Ginzburg prioritises archaic myth and ritual in explaining the whole Livonian werewolf trope, while Lincoln sees it as developing more out of the relations between the German conquerors and their native subordinates. Ginzburg’s own thought is itself embedded in a more archaic stratum, still heavily influenced by the method of comparing cultural traits worldwide to arrive at general theories which was exemplified by Sir James Frazer and Mircea Eliade, and by the structuralism preached by Claude Lévi-Strauss. In this sense he remains very much a mid-twentieth-century scholar. Lincoln, Eliade’s pupil, began very much in this tradition as well, which is why he emerged as a famed scholar of the Indo-Europeans. One of the revelations of the debate is how completely he has rejected it now (and above all the work of the most famous theorist of Indo-European culture, Dumézil), believing that the reconstruction of ancient prototypes works well for historic languages, but not for prehistoric equivalents, let alone for the cultures that spoke them. Instead he has shed an interest in origins for one in the power dynamics of historic societies, driven by what is ultimately Marxism, reborn after 1990 as post-colonial theory. The debate of course ends in friendly and respectful disagreement. Readers will agree with one or the other, or neither, depending likewise on personal and ideological predispositions. I am in both camps, as I see value in comparisons across time and structures, but Carlo Ginzburg’s leaps are too long for me, much as I admire him. The publication of the discussion takes up the final quarter of the book, following a translation of the original trial records and then a reprinting of Höfler’s, Ginzburg’s and Lincoln’s earlier reflections on the case. It is not really about Livonian werewolves, as it ignores the work of other scholars of the subject, and it is accordingly limited as a study of the Thiess case itself. It is essentially a discussion of the comparative method in cultural studies and history, between two giants of those disciplines, and a guide to their current thought; and valuable as such.
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