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Forceps based on bipolar energy, as used in the current study, are available for robotic systems and therefore, we may exclude this concern. Although we observed a tendency towards more symptomatic events after robot-assisted radical prostatectomy (RARP), this was not statistically significant in our serious. PLND is an integral part of the surgical management of localized intermediate – and high-risk prostate cancer providing important information for staging, risk assessment and prognosis. Despite the mounting clinical evidence, the oncological value and technical considerations of PLND are still an open area for discussion. Indeed, a recent systematic review including 66 studies with a total of 275,269 patients questioned the overall oncological benefit [5]. Among others, a serious impact on postoperative complications including lymphovascular complications was revealed. The occurrence of symptomatic lymphoceles is one of the most frequently reported complications after both RRP and RARP. Numerous studies attempted to identify risk factors for this particular complication. Overall, there are patient-related factors and surgical aspects that need to be acknowledged. On the patient’s side parameters such as age, body mass index and medication (low molecular weight heparin) were discussed for potential roles. Additionally, in the current study we were able to add a novel aspect to the board. We clearly determined a significant impact of the primary tumor grading. The presence of high-grade disease was associated with an almost 5 times higher risk for symptomatic lymphoceles compared to Gleason scores <8. The surgical factors affecting the risk for symptomatic lymphoceles comprise the choice of technical procedure (RRP vs RARP), the surgical approach, the extent of the PLND and various sealing approaches including reconstructive techniques. 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坎波多尼奥和英特罗里尼的评论给这个等式带来了一个新的方面。根据作者的经验,使用基于双极能量源的手术器械可提供更安全的盆腔淋巴结清扫(PLND)。在他们自己的小系列N+转移性前列腺癌患者中(4年内N = 181例),开放性耻骨后根治性前列腺切除术(RRP)后出现症状性淋巴血管并发症的患者仅为1.6%,低于文献报道的发生率(2-9.1%)[1-4]。他们的观点很好理解,然而,机器人辅助手术完全依赖单极能量的假设是不正确的。目前研究中使用的基于双极能量的镊子可用于机器人系统,因此,我们可以排除这种担忧。虽然我们观察到机器人辅助根治性前列腺切除术(RARP)后出现更多症状事件的趋势,但这在我们的严重病例中没有统计学意义。PLND是局部中高危前列腺癌手术治疗的重要组成部分,为分期、风险评估和预后提供了重要信息。尽管临床证据越来越多,但PLND的肿瘤学价值和技术考虑仍然是一个开放的讨论领域。事实上,最近的一项系统综述包括66项研究,共计275269名患者,对总体肿瘤效益提出了质疑。其中,严重影响术后并发症,包括淋巴血管并发症。出现症状性淋巴囊肿是RRP和RARP术后最常见的并发症之一。许多研究试图确定这种特殊并发症的危险因素。总的来说,有患者相关的因素和手术方面需要承认。在患者方面的参数,如年龄,体重指数和药物(低分子肝素)的潜在作用进行了讨论。此外,在当前的研究中,我们能够为电路板添加一个新颖的方面。我们清楚地确定了原发肿瘤分级的重要影响。与Gleason评分<8相比,高级别疾病的存在与症状性淋巴细胞的风险增加了近5倍。影响症状性淋巴囊肿风险的手术因素包括技术程序的选择(RRP vs RARP)、手术入路、PLND的范围和包括重建技术在内的各种封闭入路。在这方面,我们的数据与已发表的研究一致,证实了较高的淋巴结产量与较高的淋巴血管并发症风险相关。该观察结果不依赖于RRP或RARP的技术程序。最后,我们不应该忘记,
Reply to: Campodonico F, Introini C. Ref.: Magistro G, Tuog-Linh D, Westhofen T, et al. Occurrence of symptomatic lymphocele after open and robot-assisted radical prostatectomy. Cent European J Urol. 2021; 74: 341-347
The comments made by Campodonio and Introini bring a new aspect into the equation. According to the authors’ experience the use of surgical instruments based on bipolar energy sources provide a safer pelvic lymph node dissection (PLND). In their own small series of patients with N+ metastasized prostate cancer (n = 181 in 4 years) only 1.6% developed symptomatic lymphovascular complications after open retropubic radical prostatectomy (RRP), which is below the reported incidences in the literature (2–9.1%) [1–4] We congratulate the authors on their excellent surgical performance. Their point is well taken, however, the assumption that robotic-assisted surgery relies exclusively on monopolar energy is incorrect. Forceps based on bipolar energy, as used in the current study, are available for robotic systems and therefore, we may exclude this concern. Although we observed a tendency towards more symptomatic events after robot-assisted radical prostatectomy (RARP), this was not statistically significant in our serious. PLND is an integral part of the surgical management of localized intermediate – and high-risk prostate cancer providing important information for staging, risk assessment and prognosis. Despite the mounting clinical evidence, the oncological value and technical considerations of PLND are still an open area for discussion. Indeed, a recent systematic review including 66 studies with a total of 275,269 patients questioned the overall oncological benefit [5]. Among others, a serious impact on postoperative complications including lymphovascular complications was revealed. The occurrence of symptomatic lymphoceles is one of the most frequently reported complications after both RRP and RARP. Numerous studies attempted to identify risk factors for this particular complication. Overall, there are patient-related factors and surgical aspects that need to be acknowledged. On the patient’s side parameters such as age, body mass index and medication (low molecular weight heparin) were discussed for potential roles. Additionally, in the current study we were able to add a novel aspect to the board. We clearly determined a significant impact of the primary tumor grading. The presence of high-grade disease was associated with an almost 5 times higher risk for symptomatic lymphoceles compared to Gleason scores <8. The surgical factors affecting the risk for symptomatic lymphoceles comprise the choice of technical procedure (RRP vs RARP), the surgical approach, the extent of the PLND and various sealing approaches including reconstructive techniques. In this regard, our data in concert with published studies confirmed that a higher lymph node yield is associated with a higher risk for lymphovascular complications. This observation was not dependent on the technical procedures RRP or RARP. Finally, we should not forget,