Interview with Avner Gvaryahu and Avihai Stollar, directors of Breaking the Silence

João Paulo Avelãs Nunes, António Rafael Amaro, Nuno Coelho, J. Ricarte
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Following a roundtable discussion at the University of Coimbra on the situation in the Occupied Palestinian Territories and Israel regarding the perspectives and activity of the organisation Breaking the Silence, the journal Estudos do Século XX [20th Century Studies], published periodically by the Centre for Interdisciplinary Studies of the University of Coimbra, deemed this interview worthy of inclusion. This first conversation aims therefore to allow the two ex-soldiers and directors of Breaking the Silence to respond to questions posed by four researches from Group 1 – History, Memory, and Public Policy, of the Centre for Interdisciplinary Studies of the University of Coimbra.             Unlike sections such as the “Thematic File”, ‘Interdisciplinary Dialogue” and “Critical Reviews”, which are aimed at publishing humanistic, artistic, scientific or technological texts, the “Interviews” section proposes to share civic-minded or memorialistic responses to questions regarding current but relevant issues in broader intellectual and social terms. Such is the intention, whether by bringing more civilian narratives into an academic journal, or simply noting correlations between humanistic, artistic, scientific or technological knowledge and civic intervention.             This interview was documented, on the one hand, due to the ethical and geostrategic importance of the ongoing situation in the Occupied Palestinian Territories and Israel; and, on the other hand, to highlight the main features and discursive strategy of Breaking the Silence. It is important to remember that this organisation is made up solely of Israeli citizens who have carried out mandatory military service in the Occupied Palestinian Territories; and that their discursive strategy prioritises characterising and contextualising/comparing specific situations in order to explain value judgements and suggestions for how to bring about drastic change.             We value the existence of such an organisation within Israeli society that, in view of the grave problems in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, explicitly assumes the status of an association of ex-perpetrators. From this standpoint, Breaking the Silence defends: a) that Israeli soldiers describing in their own words what is really happening is one way of contributing to ending the ongoing systematic violation of human rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories; b) that victims and ex-perpetrators are entitled to support, should they so wish, in their efforts to overcome the effects of the mass violence that has occurred.             Avner Gvaryahu and Avihai Stollar’s answers are especially poignant. Whether consciously or not, their respective intellectual rigour and ethical self-expectations seem to correlate somehow with the likes of Benedict de Spinosa and Hannah Arendt. The options set forth are also important owing to both the complexity and lengthy duration of the Israeli-Arab and Israeli-Palestinian conflicts, and from the contradictions experienced in Israel, the Occupied Palestinian Territories, and in neighbouring countries such as Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt and Syria. Also considered were the verifiable connections with the overall mindset of the Cold War and the Post-Cold-War period, as well as phenomena such as the Jewish diaspora, anti-Judaism, anti-Semitism and the Holocaust.             As researchers, we try above all to recreate and analyse, to contextualise and compare how communities handle and manage situations in which human rights are violated systematically, even when those responsible for such processes of mass violence are countries under liberal-democratic or democratic regimes. As citizens, we also recognise how important it is to highlight the individual (or small group) behaviour of those notable for their profound intellectual rigour and heightened self-expectations. As has sometimes happened in the past, we hope that, both now and in the future, the example set by the fairer minority will be followed by the majority; a majority composed of perpetrators and those who are indifferent to such events.
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《打破沉默》导演Avner Gvaryahu和Avihai Stollar访谈
在科英布拉大学就“打破沉默”组织的观点和活动举行了关于巴勒斯坦被占领土和以色列局势的圆桌讨论之后,科英布拉本科跨学科研究中心定期出版的《二十世纪研究》杂志,认为这次采访值得一提。因此,第一次对话旨在让两名前士兵和《打破沉默》的导演回答科英布拉大学跨学科研究中心第一组——历史、记忆和公共政策的四项研究提出的问题。与“主题文件”、“跨学科对话”和“批判性评论”等旨在出版人文、艺术、科学或技术文本的章节不同,“访谈”部分建议从更广泛的知识和社会角度分享对当前但相关问题的公民意识或纪念性回答。这就是我们的意图,无论是将更多的平民叙事纳入学术期刊,还是仅仅注意人文、艺术、科学或技术知识与公民干预之间的相关性。一方面,由于被占领巴勒斯坦领土和以色列当前局势的道德和地缘战略重要性,这次采访被记录在案;另一方面,突出《打破沉默》的主要特点和话语策略。重要的是要记住,该组织完全由在巴勒斯坦被占领土上服过义务兵役的以色列公民组成;他们的话语策略优先描述和情境化/比较具体情况,以解释价值判断和如何带来剧烈变化的建议。我们重视以色列社会中存在这样一个组织,鉴于被占领巴勒斯坦领土的严重问题,该组织明确承担着前犯罪者协会的地位。从这个角度来看,“打破沉默”辩护说:a)以色列士兵用自己的话描述实际发生的事情是有助于结束被占领巴勒斯坦领土上持续不断的系统性侵犯人权行为的一种方式;b) 受害者和前犯罪者有权得到支持,如果他们愿意的话,努力克服已经发生的大规模暴力的影响。Avner Gvaryahu和Avihai Stollar的回答尤其令人心酸。无论是否有意识,他们各自的智力严谨和道德自我期望似乎与本尼迪克特·德·斯皮诺萨和汉娜·阿伦特等人有某种关联。由于以色列-阿拉伯和以色列-巴勒斯坦冲突的复杂性和持续时间长,以及以色列、巴勒斯坦被占领土以及黎巴嫩、约旦、埃及和叙利亚等邻国所经历的矛盾,所提出的备选方案也很重要。还考虑了与冷战和冷战后时期的总体心态以及犹太侨民、反犹太教、反犹太主义和大屠杀等现象的可核实联系。作为研究人员,我们首先试图重现和分析,将社区如何处理和管理人权受到系统侵犯的情况纳入背景并进行比较,即使对这种大规模暴力过程负有责任的是自由民主或民主政权下的国家。作为公民,我们也认识到,强调那些以深刻的智力严谨和高度的自我期望而闻名的人的个人(或小团体)行为是多么重要。正如过去有时发生的那样,我们希望,无论是现在还是将来,大多数人都会效仿更公平的少数人树立的榜样;大多数由犯罪者和对此类事件漠不关心的人组成。
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